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HIDDEN, SECRET HISTORY OF JESUS

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Below the Vatican, in their highly secretive archives, are ancient documents that are hidden from the public. They are a threat to the power of the Church and tell the true story of Jesus.

The Bible depicts a 12 year old Jesus helping his stepfather Joseph, who contrary to popular belief was not a poor carpenter, but was instead a very wealthy custom furniture maker. Both Mary and Joseph came from Royal families. Joseph was from the House of David and they were both highly esteemed in Judaic society. (Why do you think Jesus was invited into the best homes and the wealthy such as Lazarus who sought him out? Why was Jesus invited to wedding feasts? In Judaic society, lowly peasants were not invited to such events.)

The Bible loses track of Jesus until he shows back up in Jerusalem at the age 30. At age 14, Jesus, who was not ready to marry and wanted to study other cultures, left Jerusalem with a train of merchants and journeyed to India. (BTW, in other cultures, he was either called "Issa", "Isa", "Yuz Asef", "Budasaf", "Yuz Asaph", "San Issa", or "Yesu".)

[The_Youth_of_Our_Lord_John_Herbert]

He then went to Djagguernat (in the country of Orsis), where Brahman priests taught him to understand the Vedas, to cure physical ills by prayer, to teach sacred scriptures, and drive out "evil" desires from man and make him in the likeness of God. For six years, Jesus resided in many areas of India where he lived with the lower classes and sided with them against the oppressive higher classes.

[Jesus_in_India]

Note that in Jesus's teachings there is a gentle Eastern flavor, so unlike the strict dogma of the Sanhedrin, which was the seat of the Judaic faith. He preached gentleness, caring, and paths of righteousness; along with bringing about a new order of love and a caring God, rather than a militant, hateful Creator who plays favorites.

Jesus then migrated from the Hindu faith to Buddhism. He mastered the Pali language and studied the sacred Buddhist scriptures, which enabled him to expound on sacred scrolls.

OK, as we continue the story, I will write about what other ancient cultures had to say about Jesus. The Qisa Shazada Yuzasaph wo hakim Balauhar (an Urdu version of the Book of Balauhar and Budasef) tells of Jesus (or Yuz Asaf) preaching to the people of Kashmir and surrounding areas, asking people to come to the kingdom of God, which was not of this Earth. Then we see him again in the book Tarihh-i-Kashmir, which was written by Mullah Nadri:

"During this time Hazrat Yuz Asaf having come from Bait-ul Muqaddas (the Holy Land) to this holy valley proclaimed his prophet hood. He devoted himself, day and night, in prayers to God, having attained the heights of piety and virtue, he declared himself to be a messenger of God for the people of Kashmir."

Mullah Nadri also states clearly that Jesus was born in the Holy Land and proclaimed he was a prophet of the children of Israel, or the Jewish people. He also states that Jesus had beliefs that were like those of the Hindus.

He was also mentioned many other times but it will take forever for me to write it all down. I am sure he was received in these foreign lands much better than he was in the Holy Land. Jesus seemed more at ease in these Eastern locales especially since he could move freely without fear of condemnation.

There are at least 30 ancient texts covering the main religions of Hinduism, Buddhism, and Islam that very specifically mention Jesus. These ancient texts have not been ignored by scholars, but they have been suppressed by many Christian scholars and certainly by the Catholic Church. They did not want to leak information that would mar Christianity, as it has been put forth for centuries by the patriarchal powers that be.

There are documentaries and books that try to say that Jesus never even existed at all. Then why would writers from so many different regions and religions write about him. These writers were historians, theologians, and eyewitnesses to Jesus and his mission to the East and the many teachings that he gave.

Christian scholars know that many Gospels were written, not just the four officially recognized ones of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John. These Gospels date from about 70 A.D. to the 2nd century and are very similar and come from a common source. Except John's is different as it names people and two episodes (the wedding at Cana and the raising of Lazarus) not mentioned in any other Gospels.

So why were these books not included in the Bible? Well, they were too controversial, in that many of them conflicted with the "four true Gospels" and the Church's idea of what Christianity should be like. Modern Christianity is more or less based on Paul's understanding of Jesus and his message. Yet, ironically, Paul never even knew Jesus. But then Paul was a Roman citizen and proud of it, and his thinking was more in line with what early Rome and Christianity wanted.

Jesus was an educated student and true Gnostic, he genuinely did what he told us to do: seek and find.

When Jesus did return to teach in the synagogue in his hometown, many were amazed, wondering, "What is this wisdom that has been given him that he even does miracles? Is this not the carpenter? Is this not Mary's son and brother of James, Joseph, Judas, and Simon? Are his sisters not here with us? (Mark 6:2-3, Matthew 12:53-58).

Jesus was special, not just spiritually but he also had tremendous healing ability. He was wealthy enough to go to school to learn to read and write. Also, because of his travels, he gained a great deal of theological knowledge as time went by.

The time that Jesus spent in India was some of the best years of his life. He formed a group of disciples that followed him, and he met Mary Magdalene, who was obviously not a harlot--although the Church's teachings have tried to make her out as such because they did not know what else to do with her. It was impossible to erase her from his life since she was always around. So, they made her a sinner who tagged along so that she could not be a threat.

Mary Magdalene was actually a very high-born woman espoused to a centurion. She did not know the man was married until his wife wanted her stoned for adultery. Jesus heard about this and came to her aid, not only protecting her, but also telling everyone how the centurion tricked her. Her gratitude made her love him and he most likely felt the same way about her.

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When Jesus was 29, he and Mary Magdalene returned to Israel. There he preached ethical standards through his parables about everything from how to treat one's slaves and neighbors to how to handle one's money and family matters, along with how humankind could reach spiritual perfection.

Now we will dwell into what is probably the most controversial part of Jesus's life: whether or not he survived the Crucifixion. Many secret societies believe that Jesus did not die on the cross. Even the Acta Thomae (Acts of Thomas), which was banned as heretical in 495 by decree of Gelasius, say that Jesus was with Thomas at a wedding in 49 AD, a full 16 years after the Crucifixion.

Pope John XXIII once said that the Christian belief should not be based on the fact that Jesus died on the cross.
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Many Jesuits believed that Jesus did not die on the cross but felt that they had to keep quiet about it.
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Pontius Pilate did not want Jesus to die on the cross because he did not feel that Jesus was a threat to Rome. Jesus was in favor of the Sanhedrin (the supreme council and tribunal of the Jews) having to pay taxes, which would have endeared him to Pilate and shown that he was not a traitor to Rome. Remember that Jesus said, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's" (Mark 12:17), which shows that he knew taxes had to be paid.
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Pilate's wife, whom he adored and respected, had a dream on the on the eve of the trial that persuaded her to beg her husband not to condemn the young Jew. The Roman leader also had his own belief that Jesus was innocent. The Bible claims that Pilate asks, "What evil has he done?" (Matthew 27).

Well, Pontius Pilate had a problem. Even though he did not believe that Jesus should die, he knew that if he did not kill Jesus as the Sanhedrin demanded, that he faced a probable revolt by the Jews.

So, there was a conspiracy among Pilate, Jesus, and some of Jesus's followers (namely Joseph of Arimathea and perhaps Nicodemus) to have Jesus go through an "execution" that would appear as real as possible. Pilate promised he would do as much as possible to make sure Jesus did not die. To that end, the Roman leader had the event take place late on the day before the Sabbath (there could be no executions after sunset on this day--and none on the Sabbath itself--and no bodies could be left on the cross after the sun went down). He also made sure that the cross had a footrest and that Jesus's legs were not broken so that he could push himself up to breathe.

While Jesus was scourged as was the custom, it was not the way portrayed in the movie "The Passion of Christ"; in fact, the man was given an opiate to ease his pain. He was pierced in his side (again, as was the custom), but not hard enough to kill him. Joseph of Arimathea, a wealthy merchant, also came prepared to do his part. When Jesus said, "I thirst," he was given a special type of sedative that Joseph prepared, which knocked Jesus unconscious.

Since Jesus was in a deathlike state, he was taken down from the cross after only a few hours. Most people took two or three days to die when crucified--even when they used to impale people on stakes in ancient Egypt. I am sure what Jesus went through was horrendous, but it is hard to believe that a healthy 33-year-old man could have died within three hours.

Going along with the conspiracy, the Romans did not stick Jesus in the ground. Instead, Joseph and many others immediately placed Jesus in a rather accessible tomb which was a hewed-out room of solid rock that stood above the ground, with a stone to cover the entrance, that just happened to belong to Joseph himself.

Nicodemus, who was a healer and thought to be able to see into the future, went to the tomb of Jesus with spices and other accoutrements. These substances were intended to revive Jesus and not for embalming as the Jews were not into embalming.

The piercing on the side of the victim on the cross was to check for death and as John 19:34 states: "But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear and immediately blood and water came out." This indicates a few things:

1. There was a build up of liquid around his heart and lungs (common in crucifixions).

2. Jesus was still alive because of the immediacy of the flow of that liquid.

3. The piercing could very well have helped him survive because it relieved pressure.

The soldiers declared him dead (but they were soldiers and not doctors) and the body of Jesus was taken down from the cross because sunset was fast approaching.

Many people would say that Jesus died fast because of heart failure from the torture he endured. Well, there is no proof that the Romans did not adhere to the Jewish law of "no more than 40 lashes" (Deuternomy 25:2-3). He presumably walked between all of the different courts so he couldn't have made it if he was scourged like he was in the movie. In addition, if Pilate was in a conspiracy to save the life of Jesus, it is doubtful that he would have Jesus beaten heavily. Even so, the scourging probably did sap his strength (although he was only 33, strong, and healthy). Coupled with not having any sleep during the trial by the Jewish elders, it all probably took its toll. Thus, he fell several times and struggled trying to carry a cross that weighed 150 pounds or more. Yet that weakness did not explain his supposed quick death. As the bible points out: "Pilate marveled that he was already dead. So he called the centurion and asked him if he had already died. (Mark 15:44)

As we know from scripture, Mary Magdeline is the one who discovers the open tomb and the missing body of Jesus (Mark 16:9; John 20:1). She then notifies Peter and John the Beloved of what she has found. They come to verify what she said to them and then depart, leaving Mary sobbing at the tomb by herself.

Mary then sees Jesus but does not recognize him. She thinks he is a gardener and asks him, "If you are the one who has taken him away, tell me where you have laid him, and I will go and take him away" (John 20:15). The reason why Mary does not recognize Jesus is fairly obvious: He was in disguise and hiding from the Jews. Second, did this woman really think that she could carry a dead man's body? Of course not--she knew that Jesus was alive because she helped take him down from the cross.

After Jesus calls Mary by her name, she then knows who he is. He goes on to tell her not to touch him, and many Christians believe that it was because he hasn't ascended to his father in heaven yet. In reality, with his wounds not healed yet, he simply did not want Mary to give him an enthusiastic hug or embrace, which would have caused him great pain.

Later on, according to the Gospels, Jesus appears before his apostles to prove he is still alive. This part has been widely misinterpreted. Starting with Luke 24:36-51:

And while they were discussing these things, Jesus stood among them, and said to them, and they were confused and frightened, for they thought they saw a spirit. Peace be with you, do not be afraid. (Notice how they thought he was a ghost, for they thought him dead). Jesus then said to them, "Why do you tremble? And why do thoughts arise in your hearts? Look at my hands and feet, that it is I; feel me and understand; for a spirit has no flesh and bones, as you see I have. (Here we see Jesus trying to explain that he is not a ghost. Spirits do not carry wounds or have a solid countenance that can be touched or felt. Jesus was alive in a real body and not a glorified one.) And as they still did not believe because of their joy, and they were bewildered, he said to them, "Have you anything to eat?".

They gave him a portion of broiled fish and of a honeycomb. As he took it and ate before their eyes. (Here again, Jesus shows his apostles that he is alive by eating--yet spirits do not need food.) And he said to them, "These are the words which I spoke to you when I was with you, that everything must be fulfilled which is written in the law of Moses and in the prophets and in the psalms, concerning me. Then he opened their minds to understand the scriptures.

And he said to them, "Thus it is written, and it was right, that Jesus should suffer and rise from the dead on the third day; and that repentance should be preached in his name for the forgiveness of sins among all nations; and the beginning will be from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And I will send upon you the promise of my Father; but remain in the city of Jerusalem until you are clothed with power from on high. (Notice here that Jesus only says he should suffer and rise from the dead to fulfill the prophecies about the messiah. He does not say that he is dead or that he died, but indeed did go from his tomb and make himself known on the third day. Even though he is alive, he still fulfilled the prophecies as written.)

And he took them as far as Bethany, and he lifted his hands and blessed them. And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he parted from them and went up to heaven. (Notice here it says, "he parted from them"--if that was the case, how would they know if he had gone to heaven? If Jesus survived, he would have used common sense and just fled from the land where he could be recognized and persecuted again on trumped-up charges.)

Some people who were Christians their whole life might be devastated to hear that everything we learned growing up was not so true. None of this negates the fact that Jesus was a supernatural being. But he could not hang around the Holy Land any longer for fear of being discovered of being alive. He must have felt that he could do more by teaching in other parts of the world than by staying home--where he could be hounded, and might even really be killed, for spreading his great message of love and a loving God.

More clues of Jesus surviving the Crucifixion show up in texts that were written by the apostles but not officially accepted by the Church or included in the Bible, as well as in books that were banned or destroyed at the time of the Bible's compilation. (The Dead Sea Scrolls and the Nag Hammadi were discovered much later.) For example, the Acts of Thomas explain that before Jesus left, he met with Thomas several times after the Crucifixion.

Jesus, his mother Mary, Mary Magdeline, Joseph of Arimathea, and a few disciples traveled up to Tyre in disguise and then made their way up the west coast of Turkey by ship. It is in Anatolia (a part of the modern country of Turkey) that Jesus met with Thomas again. Today, Turkish people talk about Jesus being there freely, and with such truth, knowledge, and belief. He told Joseph to take the ship and go to Britain to establish a base for his new religion there. Jesus knew Joseph had many mining interests and connections in that area. He told Joseph that they would reunite with each other in three years time and that he and Mary Magdeline would be going to the Far East.

They first made sure Mother Mary was safe with disciples in a rented house then they then booked passage on caravans for protection as they criss-crossed into Turkey and then went east to India and Kashmir as well as what is modern day Pakistan and were welcomed everywhere they went. Along the way, they spoke to many who became followers. These people eventually became the first Gnostic Christians. (It is no coincidence that so many uncovered texts of the "secret" early Christian societies, take place in France.)

Joseph spent a very productive three years away from Jesus. Not only did he maintain his mining interests, but he also made many converts and started to build a church in Glastonbury, England (which is said to be the oldest above-ground Christian church in the world). In addition, Joseph was able to explore the nearby country of France--so when he met up with Jesus again, he suggested France as a good place for the couple to make their home.

Thus, Mary Magdeline and Jesus picked up Mother Mary and the other disciples and set sail for France. They landed in Marseille and traveled a bit inland eventually settling in the Rennes-le-Chateau area of France. By the time they arrived, Mary Magdeline already had their first baby..a daughter named "Sarah". They lived for a very long time in southern France where they eventually had seven children but only 4 survived.

The local people of the area became very protective of the family and kept all of their secrets very well (including that Jesus was from Judaic royalty, descended from David, and that Mary Magdeline came from a wealthy family that also had ties to royalty). Jesus, Mary, and their children were not threatened in any way, and that were safely hidden away by their neighbors when any danger did happen on the horizon.

As time went on, Mary Magdeline became very active in preaching and teaching. While Jesus would give the occasional and do infrequent healings, he mainly confined himself to instructing children and writing. (This was done to lessen notoriety and fame and to keep his location a secret.) Jesus did take a couple of trips with Joseph to Britain but they were very low-key. Mary, on the other hand, traveled in a wider circle and consequently became much revered in the whole of southern France.

Jesus lived until his mid-eighties and Mary Magdeline died 20 years later in her mid-nineties. Mother Mary died ten years after they landed in France. All three of them were buried in southern France. The presence of the Holy Family did have the impact of making the south of France a Gnostic stronghold over the years. Both the Knights Templar and the Cathars had great influence in the area, and the Catholic Church had a very difficult time establishing a strong presence there for centuries.

(I will continue the story which goes into Christianity after Jesus)


OK, we continue on with the story of Jesus after he really died. As you probably already knew, Gnostic Christians were persecuted by the Romans for hundreds of years. But during the beginning of the 4th century A.D., the Roman Empire was weakening. To top it off, many soldiers of the Roman army were secretly converting to Christianity as well as many other citizens.

 

Eventually, the newly-converted Emperor Constantine had hoped Christianity would be the uniting force of his empire. He was thus distressed to hear of the dispute over Arianism which was the theological teaching attributed to Arius (ca. 250–336AD), a Christian presbyter in Alexandria, Egypt, concerning the relationship of God to the Son of God (Jesus of Nazareth). Arius asserted that the Son of God was a subordinate entity to God the Father. In 325A.D., Constantine called the Council of Nicea with full confidence that the bishops could work out their differences.
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The gathering must have been a moving sight to behold. After centuries of persecution, Christian bishops from across the Empire journeyed to Nicea under state protection to discuss theological problems with the help of the Emperor. Official persecution had been so recent that many of the bishops still bore its scars; Constantine himself is said to have kissed the eyeless cheek of one attendee.

 [Council_of_Nicea]

The Council of Nicea condemned the teachings of Arius and adopted a creed outlining correct belief about the Son's relationship to the Father. The council was the first to include bishops from several different regions, and is thus considered the first "ecumenical council" of the church. Although many other local synods were held, seven important councils were attended by representatives of churches throughout the empire, and were therefore "ecumenical." All three main branches of Christianity - Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and Protestant - consider the decisions of these seven councils to be authoritative. Roman Catholics recognize several more.

 

So, basically what the Council of Nicea did in 325AD was to decide that the official Roman stance on Jesus was that he was the same as his "father" God and not a subordinate entity to God as Arrius asserted (deemed a heretic by the Ecumenical First Council of Nicaea of 325, Arius was later exonerated in 335 at the regional First Synod of Tyre, and then, after his death, pronounced a heretic again at the Ecumenical First Council of Constantinople of 381).

 

 

 

Like I said earlier in my story:

 

     Christian scholars know that many Gospels were written, not just the four officially recognized ones of Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John. These Gospels date from about 70 A.D. to the 2nd century and are very similar and come from a common source. Except John's is different as it names people and two episodes (the wedding at Cana and the raising of Lazarus) not mentioned in any other Gospels.

 

     So why were these books not included in the Bible? Well, they were too controversial, in that many of them conflicted with the "four true Gospels" and the Church's idea of what Christianity should be like. Modern Christianity is more or less based on Paul's understanding of Jesus and his message. Yet, ironically, Paul never even knew Jesus. But then Paul was a Roman citizen and proud of it, and his thinking was more in line with what early Rome and Christianity wanted.

 

 

 

The Gospels that were not in the best interest of the Roman Empire were hidden away and suppressed. Any Gospel that showed Jesus as anything else but a God was put away. Not only that, but Constantine decided that he would blend in old religious ideas and holidays into Christianity. If they showed Jesus as a human being, then they could not blend it in to their old religions. He had to be the Son of God just like the older religions did with their main deity. Over and over, it was the same old theme: 

 

Born on December 25th (Jesus was not really born December 25th)

 

Born of a virgin (Mother Mary was no virgin)

 

Performed miracles (Jesus did some healing but never walked on water or anything like that)

 

Resurrected (as I've written above, Jesus died of old age and was never resurrected)

To top it all off, the Bible has been rewritten, misinterpreted, and translated so many times over the centuries to support and justify the power of that particular time that you cannot even be sure if it is the original writings.

 

 

 

This is from the video Zeitgeist:

 

In our own time a number of Christian religious observances and festivals are of 

 

distinct solar origin. Notable among these feast days is Christmas. ―The Roman winter 

 

solstice―as celebrated on December 25th…in connection with the worship 

 

of the Sun-God Mithra appears to have been instituted in this special form by Aurelian 

 

about A. D. 273, and to this festival the day owes its apposite name of  "Birthday of the 

 

Unconquered Sun". With full symbolic appropriateness, though not with historical 

 

justification, the day was adopted in the western church where it appears to have been 

 

generally introduced by the fourth century, and whence in time it passed to the eastern 

 

church as the solemn anniversary of the Birth of Christ, Christmas Day. As a matter of 

 

history no valid or even consistent early Christian tradition vouches for it

 

 

 

A lot about Christianity since 325A.D. in Zeitgeist is true. But the part in Zeitgeist that implies Jesus never existed is false. But it does talk a lot about the similarities between the Romanized version of Christ and sun gods from the past as well as the zodiac. 

 

Here is the video I am speaking of named Zeitgeist:

https://youtu.be/pTbIu8Zeqp0


and here is the Zeitgeist sourcebook

http://www.stellarhousepublishing.com/zeitgeistsourcebook.pdf


Here are different references, ancient and modern:

The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ written by Nicholas Notovich in the 1890's

The Life of Saint Issa: Best of Sons of Men (Tibetan)

Aquarian Gospel and some of the Dead Sea Scrolls

The Lost Years of Jesus by Elizabeth Clare Prophet

The Jesus Mystery by Janet Brock

Jesus Lived in India by Holger Kersten

Rauzet-us-Safa by Mir Muhammad Bin Khawand in A.D.1417

The Qisa Shazada Yuzasaph wo hakim Balauhar

Book of Balauhar and Budasef

Tarikh-i-Kashmir by Mullah Nadri

A Search for the Historical Jesus by Dr Fida Hassnain

The History of Religion and Doctrines: The Glass Mirror (Chinese translation of Tibetan manuscripts)

Ikmal-ud-Din by Al-Shaikh Al-Said-us-Sadiq (died in 962)

Acta Thomae (Acts of Thomas)

Nag Hammadi

 


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I'm looking forward to the rise of Christianity beyond the death of Jesus. Thank you for launching this forum.
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The time has come...

In the next 24 hours I will continue the story.

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Wow, a friend of mine told me to come here and read this. I am dumbfounded and for the first time in my life I am questioning my religion. Weird feeling.
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This post definitely has my attention. I will read the whole thing later but it feels right to me so far.
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I love the information that you divulge to the people that seek information.  The funny thing is that when I try to talk about things that are "out of the ordinary," the phrase that keeps popping up is "you are crazy."  What's crazy to me is the fact that people are so content with their sheepish lives.  I am aboard the "gracie" train and support what you are doing. 

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I love the information that you divulge to the people that seek information.  The funny thing is that when I try to talk about things that are "out of the ordinary," the phrase that keeps popping up is "you are crazy."  What's crazy to me is the fact that people are so content with their sheepish lives.  I am aboard the "gracie" train and support what you are doing. 



Thanks DaddyAngIsCrazy, I feel the same way bro. That's why I don't force this info on people like a Jehovah's Witness lol. Too many people are close minded and get angry when you challenge what they have been programmed to believe. Toot toot!!! All aboard the "Gracie" train!!!

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Funny thing about that Andy is that my wife just recently got baptized as a Jehovah's Witness.  She went from being so curious about life and its origins, but now it just seems that she is just brainwashed. 

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Funny thing about that Andy is that my wife just recently got baptized as a Jehovah's Witness.  She went from being so curious about life and its origins, but now it just seems that she is just brainwashed. 




Yeah man, my aunt was Orthodox Christian her whole life and a couple of years ago she became a JW as well. They remind me of that cult from Family Guy lol.

Definitely brainwashed!!!

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Funny how during Easter when I was at church for Midnight Mass, all I could think of was this Jesus post lol
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Here are different references, ancient and modern:

The Unknown Life of Jesus Christ written by Nicholas Notovich in the 1890's


The Life of Saint Issa: Best of Sons of Men (Tibetan)

Aquarian Gospel and some of the Dead Sea Scrolls

The Lost Years of Jesus by Elizabeth Clare Prophet

The Jesus Mystery by Janet Brock

Jesus Lived in India by Holger Kersten

Rauzet-us-Safa by Mir Muhammad Bin Khawand in A.D.1417

The Qisa Shazada Yuzasaph wo hakim Balauhar

Book of Balauhar and Budasef

Tarikh-i-Kashmir by Mullah Nadri

A Search for the Historical Jesus by Dr Fida Hassnain

The History of Religion and Doctrines: The Glass Mirror (Chinese translation of Tibetan manuscripts)

Ikmal-ud-Din by Al-Shaikh Al-Said-us-Sadiq (died in 962)

Acta Thomae (Acts of Thomas)

Nag Hammadi

 


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Some people have asked me "why would the Vatican not destroy what is hidden in their archives if it is a threat to the Vatican's power?" or "Why would the Vatican not destroy what is hidden in their archives if it is leaking out to the public?".

What is hidden in the Vatican's archives has not necessarily leaked out. Their archives are quite safe and secure. The only thing is a few secret societies have known this knowledge for a long, long time and have passed it down from generation to generation. The Vatican can burn down their whole archive but it does not mean that the secret info has not already been out there for centuries.


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I think getting the Biblical apocrypha out there is an important step for the reform of Christianity.  This has been sorely needed ever since the Nicene Council put the exoteric clamp down on which revelations are approved and acceptable.

I remember some accounts that Jesus was more akin to an ethereal spirit telling us a story (i.e. noticing the breeze not blowing his hair, etc.).  This doesn't mean he wasn't fully human, since we all have that unknown component to ourselves.  This idea also goes well with the notion that Jesus asked Judas to betray him to put the final crescendo on his lesson for us.
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This is the warm and fuzzy version of the caesarion conspiracy for new agers. The versions I read make Christianity to be a fraud and a scheme for creating a religious empire worthy of destruction.
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This is the warm and fuzzy version of the Caesarion conspiracy for new agers. The versions I read make Christianity to be a fraud and a scheme for creating a religious empire worthy of destruction.


You're right. Christianity was used for power purposes by the "Elite" and still is to this day

BUT...

...that is the story hundreds of years after Jesus' death. The story in this post talks about the years of Jesus' life that has been suppressed by the powers-that-be. I am not sure that you have read the whole thing yet (I know it's very long). 

I do not think that Jesus knew his life and image would be morphed and used in such a way for such a long time. Or that people would have killed in is name or whatever.

Thanks for your opinion though countitjoy5  [smile]

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This is the warm and fuzzy version of the caesarion conspiracy for new agers. The versions I read make Christianity to be a fraud and a scheme for creating a religious empire worthy of destruction.

I stopped going to church when it seemed to be just repeating a bunch of empty words every week. Most modern religions are so concerned with politics that very little gets done that's actually religious. Eventually, I tried meditation and realized that it's basically prayer. This renewed my faith that religions weren't just shams or schemes.

It's hard to separate religion from its political establishment until 'supernatural' stuff starts happening to you, and then you realize that only the vast majority is bullshit (or interpreted thusly).
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It is obvious that countitjoy5 has not even read 5% of this post. 
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